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PostPosted: June 28, 2015, 12:49 pm
NRL, A-League prepare dual expansion bid based in Ipswich

A DUAL NRL and A-League expansion bid is being planned for Ipswich with FFA chief David Gallop stating the city deserves a 30,000 seat stadium.

The Sunday Mail can reveal there are advanced plans to create a share use training facility and stadium in the Ipswich region to house the proposed western corridor NRL and A-League expansion team.

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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 12:04 am
Great idea.The area is booming.
Plus would p#ss off the Bonco's.......gotta love that.
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 9:32 am
Good idea for League. Horrible idea for the A-League, they have about 2 teams turning a profit and the rest of the comp is fighting off bankruptcy on a yearly basis. That league needs to consolidate what it has, it doesnt have the stability to take on another struggling franchise, which is what all new teams are.
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A 19 team NRL comp featuring the current 16 clubs and 3 of either Perth, Central Coast, Adelaide, Brisbane

- 18 rounds, 9 home, 9 away, 1 bye (162 regular season games).

- No trials, A pre season cup instead, 4 or 5 weeks (approx 40 games).

- Auckland 9's

- Top 8 finals system

- Stand alone origin weekends played on Sunday nights, Friday night matches featuring Fiji v PNG; Tonga v Samoa.

- Fri, 2 x 7.30pm
-Sat, 2.30pm, 5.30pm, 7.30pm x2
-Sun, 2pm, 4pm
-Mon, 7pm

This model would feature a very similar number of televised games for bidding networks to buy (currently 192 games compared with potentially approx 200). The comp would be "fair" because each team would play each other once.
Clubs would get 11 or 12 home games including the pre season comp.
Players would have less reason to complain of burnout with stand alone rep weekend etc.

Just an idea i thought I'd throw out there, I know there may be some faults, Thoughts ???
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 10:19 am
I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 11:04 am
If it's region based conferences that'll heavily favour the Sydney teams. I also reckon get rid of Monday night and start Thursday Night games.
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 11:30 am
Raidersrawesome wrote:I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds

I think that's a great idea, would love to see that.
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I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 1:13 pm
Pigman wrote:I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider


I bet the Broncos/Bennett would sook about having to travel so much when say the Raiders group would have to do less.
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Pigman wrote:I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider

I bet the Broncos/Bennett would sook about having to travel so much when say the Raiders group would have to do less.

But that's no different to how it is now, with some teams (such as Cowboys/Warriors) having to travel more than other teams.

In fact, if you put all the Sydney teams in one conference and all the non-Sydney ones in another you'd actually even out the travelling problem somewhat!
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 1:19 pm
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Manchild wrote:
Pigman wrote:I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider

I bet the Broncos/Bennett would sook about having to travel so much when say the Raiders group would have to do less.

But that's no different to how it is now, with some teams (such as Cowboys/Warriors) having to travel more than other teams.

In fact, if you put all the Sydney teams in one conference and all the non-Sydney ones in another you'd actually even out the travelling problem somewhat!


Wait what?

Hoe does it even out travelling if nearly half the clubs barley to step on a plane during the regular season?
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 1:33 pm
Schifty wrote:
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Manchild wrote:
Pigman wrote:I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider

I bet the Broncos/Bennett would sook about having to travel so much when say the Raiders group would have to do less.

But that's no different to how it is now, with some teams (such as Cowboys/Warriors) having to travel more than other teams.

In fact, if you put all the Sydney teams in one conference and all the non-Sydney ones in another you'd actually even out the travelling problem somewhat!


Wait what?

Hoe does it even out travelling if nearly half the clubs barley to step on a plane during the regular season?

Because you travel much more closely to the same amount as the other teams in your division. Right now the Sydney clubs get a leg up because they travel a lot less, under Nicko's conferences the Sydney teams would all travel about the same amount as each other, but be in a separate division to the teams who have to travel more.
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 5:52 pm
I've had to come out of hiding to say..

Hold up a sec fellas.

I've posted in the past that a conference system was the way to go and no one agreed

viewtopic.php?t=19195&p=556745
http://www.thegh.com.au/forum/viewtopic ... &p=1163500

Now there's support for it? Where were you all before?
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The more important question is... why were you hiding??
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PostPosted: June 29, 2015, 6:19 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:I've had to come out of hiding to say..

Hold up a sec fellas.

I've posted in the past that a conference system was the way to go and no one agreed

http://thegreenhouseact.com.au/forum/vi ... 5&p=556745
http://www.thegh.com.au/forum/viewtopic ... &p=1163500

Now there's support for it? Where were you all before?
Thanks a lot guys. Thanks. A. Lot.

I took my time digesting it and analysing it before I could agree.

And If I knew it would have drawn you out I would have done it sooner

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A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.
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Cant really do it by regions as there arent enough in the regions other than sydney
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greeneyed wrote:A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.


If I was to do it, I would make a 16 team comp made up of
2x Sydney teams
1x Road trip team
1x Flight required team

Can't work out if it's possible off my phone. Need an Excel spreadsheet to play on.
I would also keep rival teams in seperate conferences. So if you're playing each non-division team once, you can build some hype around a "Rivalry Round"
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greeneyed wrote:A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.


It's not the 50's anymore, Pops. Catching a 45 minute flight from Canberra to Sydney or a hour to Melbourne, or *GASP* even 2 hours to Brisbane isn't a big deal at all.

The only disadvantage is in the accounting books, which the NRL could address by compensating the teams travelling more by giving them a slightly bigger yearly grant

It' aint like those sydney clubs wont have to travel, they'll play 10 games against their divisional teams, and then every other team once for 22 games, they are travelling probably 7-8 times a year, where as Canberra would travel 11 times a year. I mean **** honestly...
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greeneyed wrote:A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.

Well it doesn't, because only two teams from their conference will go through to the 8.

I know it seems a little confusing at first, but a conference system is actually MORE fair than the current system we have now.
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Pigman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.


It's not the 50's anymore, Pops. Catching a 45 minute flight from Canberra to Sydney or a hour to Melbourne, or *GASP* even 2 hours to Brisbane isn't a big deal at all.

The only disadvantage is in the accounting books, which the NRL could address by compensating the teams travelling more by giving them a slightly bigger yearly grant

It' aint like those sydney clubs wont have to travel, they'll play 10 games against their divisional teams, and then every other team once for 22 games, they are travelling probably 7-8 times a year, where as Canberra would travel 11 times a year. I mean **** honestly...


Sorry, grasshopper, Sydney teams playing eachother means they sleep at their own house and drive for an hour to the game. Other teams would be catching planes and staying overnight, possibly twice, every second week... Which is a major disruption in preparations.
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Yes, but they're only ranked against their own division
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Pigman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:A conference system is crazy if it is based on regions. It gives Sydney way too much advantage, and others too much disadvantage.


It's not the 50's anymore, Pops. Catching a 45 minute flight from Canberra to Sydney or a hour to Melbourne, or *GASP* even 2 hours to Brisbane isn't a big deal at all.

The only disadvantage is in the accounting books, which the NRL could address by compensating the teams travelling more by giving them a slightly bigger yearly grant

It' aint like those sydney clubs wont have to travel, they'll play 10 games against their divisional teams, and then every other team once for 22 games, they are travelling probably 7-8 times a year, where as Canberra would travel 11 times a year. I mean **** honestly...


Sorry, grasshopper, Sydney teams playing eachother means they sleep at their own house and drive for an hour to the game. Other teams would be catching planes and staying overnight, possibly twice, every second week... Which is a major disruption in preparations.


Yeah, but we're playing better away from Canberra than in Canberra. Sleeping in their houses isn't helping
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PostPosted: August 1, 2015, 7:33 am
NRL expansion on the cards with second Brisbane team worth $200m to TV rights deal

THE NRL is set for expansion with a second Brisbane team to rival the Broncos tipped to clinch a licence by 2018 in a move worth an extra $200 million to the code’s next TV rights deal.
Brisbane Bombers bid chairman Craig Davison can see only one certainty in the NRL’s future premiership format — there will be a fourth Queensland team playing out of Lang Park in 2018

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PostPosted: August 1, 2015, 11:22 am
Pigman wrote:I've long been an advocate for a conference/divisional system. It's by far thing that RL could do.
It's really not hard to do either, you can even keep the vast majority of traditional rivalries when coming up with them

with 18 teams, adding in Perth and 2nd Brisbane team, you could do something like this (im sure others will come up with better groups, just a starting point)

Easts, Souths, Cronulla, Manly, Canterbury, NZ (easier for flights, NZ to Sydney and back is only one flight)
Knights, Penrith, Parramatta, Raiders, Dragons, Tigers
Broncos, Brisbane 2.0, Cowboys, Titooons, Perth, Storm

Top 2 in each division into the finals, 2 wildcards for the best 2 teams of the rest (if that's 2 from on division, so be it)
Lessens the round games, lessens the travel burden, creates expansion, creates division games which over time become hated rivalries, allows you to fit rep footy in on stand alone weeks, maintains the vast majority of the traditional rivalries (yes, yes yes, i know we do lose some of them)

It's really too perfect for RL to consider


This is actually quite a good idea.

But fair go mate.
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Raidersrawesome wrote:NRL expansion on the cards with second Brisbane team worth $200m to TV rights deal

THE NRL is set for expansion with a second Brisbane team to rival the Broncos tipped to clinch a licence by 2018 in a move worth an extra $200 million to the code’s next TV rights deal.
Brisbane Bombers bid chairman Craig Davison can see only one certainty in the NRL’s future premiership format — there will be a fourth Queensland team playing out of Lang Park in 2018

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-ex ... 7465390327


I can understand the profit turning over for a second Brisbane team for stability within the comp but to not look at Perth is just dumb.
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PostPosted: August 1, 2015, 4:28 pm
Raidersrawesome wrote:I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds

Nailed it. IMO you could even extend that structure for the top 8 and say the top 2 teams from each conference make the finals, plus the next best 2 performing teams.

I'm even OK with the idea of having all the QLD and all the Sydney teams in the same conference to play each other twice to cash in on the local derby's.
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Raidersrawesome wrote:I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds

Nailed it. IMO you could even extend that structure for the top 8 and say the top 2 teams from each conference make the finals, plus the next best 2 performing teams.

I'm even OK with the idea of having all the QLD and all the Sydney teams in the same conference to play each other twice to cash in on the local derby's.


I'm definitely not. Just reinforces our status as not the important part of the competition.
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PostPosted: August 1, 2015, 5:15 pm
greeneyed wrote:
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Raidersrawesome wrote:I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds

Nailed it. IMO you could even extend that structure for the top 8 and say the top 2 teams from each conference make the finals, plus the next best 2 performing teams.

I'm even OK with the idea of having all the QLD and all the Sydney teams in the same conference to play each other twice to cash in on the local derby's.


I'm definitely not. Just reinforces our status as not the important part of the competition.

Fair enough. At the moment we don't play every team twice and the draw is apparently "random", which it obviously isn't. IMO you many as well make the conference style structure official, like a ton of other competitions around the world.

I think it's a reasonable direction to go in as long as every team gets a relatively equal chance to make the finals. This is why I would have the top 2 teams from each conference making the finals (plus 2 teams with the next best records). I think that is a good compromise if we are heading in the direction of a conference style draw.

In RAA's system every club still plays every other team at least once. This happens right now, but as it stands the draw is completely unfair when it comes to finals qualification - especially when you add in State of Origin rounds when clubs have to stand down their best players in the middle of the season. With 18 clubs you can reduce the rounds from 24 to 22 and have a break for SOO and rep rounds in the middle of the year. It's the fairest system IMO.

On the other hand I could just throw my hands in the air and say the whole thing is rigged and unfair, no matter what they do.
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They don't claim the draw is random.
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Well then let's call it arbitrarily rigged. My point is that the way the draw is structured should become official and the finals qualification process should reflect those changes.

It's not perfect, but a conference system will also create rivalries over time. When you can't possibly play all teams twice in one year there is no perfectly fair system, you just have to make the most of what you have. These changes also need to be considered in the context of rep football and bye weekends etc.
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PostPosted: August 5, 2015, 2:43 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote:
Raidersrawesome wrote:I like the model where there is 2 or 3 conferences depending on number of teams.

If 18 teams - 3 conferences of 6 teams. Play each other twice in your group and then play the other group teams once.

That'll make 22 rounds

Nailed it. IMO you could even extend that structure for the top 8 and say the top 2 teams from each conference make the finals, plus the next best 2 performing teams.

I'm even OK with the idea of having all the QLD and all the Sydney teams in the same conference to play each other twice to cash in on the local derby's.


I'm definitely not. Just reinforces our status as not the important part of the competition.

Fair enough. At the moment we don't play every team twice and the draw is apparently "random", which it obviously isn't. IMO you many as well make the conference style structure official, like a ton of other competitions around the world.

I think it's a reasonable direction to go in as long as every team gets a relatively equal chance to make the finals. This is why I would have the top 2 teams from each conference making the finals (plus 2 teams with the next best records). I think that is a good compromise if we are heading in the direction of a conference style draw.

In RAA's system every club still plays every other team at least once. This happens right now, but as it stands the draw is completely unfair when it comes to finals qualification - especially when you add in State of Origin rounds when clubs have to stand down their best players in the middle of the season. With 18 clubs you can reduce the rounds from 24 to 22 and have a break for SOO and rep rounds in the middle of the year. It's the fairest system IMO.

On the other hand I could just throw my hands in the air and say the whole thing is rigged and unfair, no matter what they do.

Great plan, Seiff!! Make this man a Mod, GE!!
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