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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » August 9, 2015, 6:51 pm

I think if you looked at the geography and concentration of population in Brisbane, and Redcliffe, building a major stadium in Redcliffe isn't the spot for it. Redcliffe is on an isolated peninsula, and the city of Redcliffe has only a population of 55,000.
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Post by Manbush » August 9, 2015, 7:06 pm

Agree GE, too small a population base and not sure if still the case but traditionally it's been an older population, the NRL couldn't be so stupid.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by dubby » August 10, 2015, 7:59 am

Needs to be Ipswich if anywhere, or "Western Corridor ".
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Raidersrawesome » August 10, 2015, 1:52 pm

NRL expansion put on the backburner


Expansion of the NRL beyond its current 16 teams appears to have been put on the back-burner under the new broadcast deal signed with Channel Nine.

Nine has won the rights to broadcast the NRL from 2018 to 2022 in a deal worth $925, the game's governing body announced on Monday.


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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Raidersrawesome » October 2, 2015, 3:04 pm

The options for Brisbane NRL expansion

The jungle drums are beating ever louder that the next team to join the NRL will be from south-east Queensland.

The Broncos have enjoyed dominance of the market for nearly 30 years, save for the three crazy seasons when South East Queensland Crushers tried and failed to carve out a niche of their own.

But there are a number of options for Grant, NRL boss Dave Smith and strategy guru Shane Richardson to consider for expansion into the south-east when the time comes, most likely from 2018.

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by the bone » October 2, 2015, 4:57 pm

In my opinion, the best to worst bids out of those mentioned in the article above would be:
1. Brothers
2. Ipswich
3. Bombers
4. Redcliffe

Either of the first two bids would be good as they are community based models and are therefore more likely to attract larger fan bases.

The bombers bid would struggle to get fans from the broncos, much like swans and GWS. I realise they want new fans rather than cannobolising the broncos, but reality is that any new bid would need some degree of cannobilisation.

The Redcliffe bid would be a disaster. As GE's post at the top of the page remarks, there's not nearly enough population to justify a team for Redcliffe.

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Dr Zaius » October 2, 2015, 5:03 pm

I think that it was a mistake to put just one team in Brisbane. They should have introduced two at once. It's going to be hard for another club to get a foothold, the broncos will undermine them every chance that they get.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 2, 2015, 5:57 pm

At the time the Broncos were admitted, people weren't sure the venture would even succeed. I remember saying they should be able to get 20,000 every week, and people laughed at me. That's why it didn't happen.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Dr Zaius » October 2, 2015, 7:55 pm

Don't get me wrong, I understand why it was done. In retrospect it was the wrong decision however
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 2, 2015, 8:34 pm

It was a different time, and if you admitted two, they probably would not have survived.
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Post by Notaroboticfish » October 2, 2015, 8:37 pm

I think a Perth team should be before a second Brisbane team.

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 2, 2015, 8:46 pm

Perth and Brisbane, centre of Brisbane, should be the next teams.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Manchild » October 2, 2015, 9:46 pm

Ipswich fo sho. They will be the working class, underprivileged team of Brisbane.

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Post by Notaroboticfish » October 2, 2015, 9:56 pm

Manchild wrote:Ipswich fo sho. They will be the working class, underprivileged team of Brisbane.
What? Rich Cronulla?

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Raidersrawesome » October 3, 2015, 4:06 am

Manchild wrote:Ipswich fo sho. They will be the working class, underprivileged team of Brisbane.
Would Broncos players get homesick for Ipswich then and go play for them
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Post by T_R » October 3, 2015, 5:19 am

the bone wrote:In my opinion, the best to worst bids out of those mentioned in the article above would be:
1. Brothers
2. Ipswich
3. Bombers
4. Redcliffe

Either of the first two bids would be good as they are community based models and are therefore more likely to attract larger fan bases.

The bombers bid would struggle to get fans from the broncos, much like swans and GWS. I realise they want new fans rather than cannobolising the broncos, but reality is that any new bid would need some degree of cannobilisation.

The Redcliffe bid would be a disaster. As GE's post at the top of the page remarks, there's not nearly enough population to justify a team for Redcliffe.
Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast population would be as large as Canberra.

Issues with lack of stadium etc
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Raidersrawesome » October 3, 2015, 6:04 am

T_R wrote:
the bone wrote:In my opinion, the best to worst bids out of those mentioned in the article above would be:
1. Brothers
2. Ipswich
3. Bombers
4. Redcliffe

Either of the first two bids would be good as they are community based models and are therefore more likely to attract larger fan bases.

The bombers bid would struggle to get fans from the broncos, much like swans and GWS. I realise they want new fans rather than cannobolising the broncos, but reality is that any new bid would need some degree of cannobilisation.

The Redcliffe bid would be a disaster. As GE's post at the top of the page remarks, there's not nearly enough population to justify a team for Redcliffe.
Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast population would be as large as Canberra.

Issues with lack of stadium etc
Redcliffe are getting a stadium upgrade funded partly by the Fed government , but it still wont be NRL standard
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by the bone » October 3, 2015, 8:09 am

T_R wrote:
the bone wrote:In my opinion, the best to worst bids out of those mentioned in the article above would be:
1. Brothers
2. Ipswich
3. Bombers
4. Redcliffe

Either of the first two bids would be good as they are community based models and are therefore more likely to attract larger fan bases.

The bombers bid would struggle to get fans from the broncos, much like swans and GWS. I realise they want new fans rather than cannobolising the broncos, but reality is that any new bid would need some degree of cannobilisation.

The Redcliffe bid would be a disaster. As GE's post at the top of the page remarks, there's not nearly enough population to justify a team for Redcliffe.
Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast population would be as large as Canberra.

Issues with lack of stadium etc
Redcliffe doesn't really represent the sunshine coast area though... It's closer to Brisbane. They'd be better off basing the team in the Sunshine Coast

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 3, 2015, 8:56 am

Redcliffe is a distinct place, pretty clearly separate from Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast, due to geography. It has just 55,000 people.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Seiffert82 » October 3, 2015, 9:09 am

Brisbane II and Perth. It's a no-brainer IMO.

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Post by Sid » October 3, 2015, 10:37 am

- Cut Cronulla Sutherland

- Re-locate West Tigers further West to Perth

- Brisbane II (NOT SE QLD)

16 team comp.
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Post by Notaroboticfish » October 3, 2015, 12:20 pm

Sid wrote:- Cut Cronulla Sutherland

- Re-locate West Tigers further West to Perth

- Brisbane II (NOT SE QLD)

16 team comp.
Also ditch Parra.
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Re: NRL expansion

Post by 86 invader » October 3, 2015, 6:44 pm

The only thing that worries me about Perth is when the WA mines play out and the East Coasters and Kiwis leave... What then? Is there a big enough local support long term? I hope so... But it's a question that needs to be asked...

I like the second Brisbane team purely because of the number of people up here who refuse to support the Broncos... I think there is a real opportunity for the new franchise to be accepted as a second team early on which will give them an opportunity to grow with generations...

I don't for one second believe this stuff about extra teams diluting the product... We just need teams that will be financially viable... Early success is a key, so perhaps a bigger cap for new franchises would help with their depth while they establish their junior systems...

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 21, 2015, 5:29 pm

Brisbane Broncos chief Paul White slams expansion talk

Broncos chief executive Paul White has strongly urged a new NRL leadership team to scrap talk of expansion until the 16 NRL clubs can be fortified financially and not rely on funding from poker machines or League Central's piggy bank.

"We keep getting asked about the argument for expansion. I read the comments about broadcasters wanting another team. I know that. But can the game afford for that to happen?

"The aggregated $30 million loss across the clubs is about $1.8 million per club. If your question is 'can we afford to have two more teams in the competition at the moment', I'm giving you a categorical answer: No."

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by greeneyed » October 21, 2015, 5:34 pm

We definitely need to break the monopoly of the Broncos on the whole city of Brisbane. Whether it is by admitting a new team or relocating... That's another issue.
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Post by BJ » October 21, 2015, 5:54 pm

It is hurting rugby league as a whole not having a second team in Brisbane. The additional value to the game of having a second Brisbane team would cover the funding for the bottom four teams with plenty leftover.

This is the problem of private ownership of the Broncos. They only care about their bottom line.

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Post by Raidersrawesome » October 21, 2015, 7:32 pm

And this guy wants to be the new NRL CEO.
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Post by greeneyed » October 21, 2015, 7:33 pm

Paul White does?
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Post by Dr Zaius » October 21, 2015, 7:44 pm

Haha, looking after his own self interest. The Broncos opposed the Crushers entry. The Broncos were integral in Super League. The Broncos effectively had the Crushers killed off. The Broncos had the fingers all over the death of the Chargers. The Broncos had written into the NRL treaty a clause preventing entry of a second SE Queensland team for the best part of a decade. Is anyone suprised that the Broncos opposed expansion to a second Brisbane team?
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Post by Arnie » October 21, 2015, 9:03 pm

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Second Brisbane NRL team 'inevitable

Post by Raidersrawesome » October 23, 2015, 6:26 am

Second Brisbane NRL team 'inevitable'

Bombers bid chairman Craig Davison believes a second Brisbane NRL team is inevitable despite Broncos CEO Paul White's damning view on expansion.

Brisbane Bombers boss Davison is unfazed after White dismissed the notion that NRL CEO Dave Smith's resignation could fast track expansion in Queensland.

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Post by Notaroboticfish » October 23, 2015, 6:31 am

So, are we just going to hear from the most biased people why or why there shouldn't be expansion?

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Re: NRL expansion

Post by Raidersrawesome » October 23, 2015, 3:17 pm

Wellington NRL bid reveals name and plan to play games in Fiji

A second New Zealand team in the NRL would be known as the South Pacific Cyclones and play up to half their home matches in Fiji.

The consortium backing a Wellington-based team to join the NRL in 2018 has revealed further details of its bid, including the official name of the club and its plans to expand across the Pacific with the inclusion of Fiji.

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Post by Seiffert82 » October 24, 2015, 6:33 am

greeneyed wrote:Brisbane Broncos chief Paul White slams expansion talk

Broncos chief executive Paul White has strongly urged a new NRL leadership team to scrap talk of expansion until the 16 NRL clubs can be fortified financially and not rely on funding from poker machines or League Central's piggy bank.

"We keep getting asked about the argument for expansion. I read the comments about broadcasters wanting another team. I know that. But can the game afford for that to happen?

"The aggregated $30 million loss across the clubs is about $1.8 million per club. If your question is 'can we afford to have two more teams in the competition at the moment', I'm giving you a categorical answer: No."

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-l ... z3pBXrLpXF
Paul White (whoever he is) can **** right off.

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