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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 4:27 pm
Parramatta : Whatever happened to Ricky Stuart’s Projector 12?

IN what proved to be one of the most infamous player purges in rugby league history, midway through 2013 then-Parramatta coach Ricky Stuart told 12 players their services were no longer required.


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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 5:17 pm
The Projector 12 :lol: Fantastic title.

Sounds a bit like Oceans 11; if it contained Hollywood's worst actors.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 5:40 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:The Projector 12 :lol: Fantastic title.

Sounds a bit like Oceans 11; if it contained Hollywood's worst actors.
didnt it?
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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 6:10 pm
Eels get off lightly after significant salary cap breaches, writes Buzz Rothfield

The Parramatta Eels have escaped lightly for deliberately breaching the salary cap.

A $525,000 fine to a club that made more than $12.5 million last year is easily managed.

No competition points will be docked because the club has agreed to undertake an independent management review of their administration and salary cap practices.


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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 7:02 pm
This is despite the fact they knew very early last season their 2nd tier salary cap was on the limit but deliberately kept picking players that put them as much as $600,000 over the cap.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... C%20NRL%29


Surely this can't be serious! How on earth was this allowed to happen after all the crap we've been through the last couple of seasons with the 2nd tier cap.

Why didn't the NRL just dock 2 points the following season for every game a non-registered player took the field?
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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 7:59 pm
Yep Eels been tapped with a feather here
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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 8:10 pm
Haven't even been fined by the amount they were over the cap by!
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PostPosted: May 21, 2015, 8:44 pm
Raidersrawesome wrote:Parramatta : Whatever happened to Ricky Stuart’s Projector 12?

IN what proved to be one of the most infamous player purges in rugby league history, midway through 2013 then-Parramatta coach Ricky Stuart told 12 players their services were no longer required.


http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/parram ... 7363553569


Bit off topic, but damn, still can't believe they're publishing articles with typos in it - "immesnly"? "He still players lower grades.."?
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 6:42 am
Breaches:

NRL Top 25 - $101,718
NRL 2nd tier - $233,036
NYC Top 20 - $60,915
NYC 2nd tier - $8277

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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:13 am
Ricky was there but no way he could be blamed

Its the job of the CEO to look after the salaries etc.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:33 am
Raidersrawesome wrote:Ricky was there but no way he could be blamed

Its the job of the CEO to look after the salaries etc.

I don't think it was anyone's job. That's where the problem lay. Each person doing their thing but nobody adding up the numbers till after the fact.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:35 am
Who ever had roster control is probably most responsible. That was Stuart.
You cant really absolve him of any responsibility for this
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:36 am
Strange thing is the NRL informed them , told them to fix it and they ignored that advice and kept doing as they pleased.

Mismanagement at its finest
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:39 am
Their infringements date back to 2010
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:41 am
Dollars and cents aren't Ricky's job..

That's the ceo and recruiters job
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:43 am
simo wrote:Their infringements date back to 2010

Last 4 years I believe
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 8:45 am
Tim W wrote:Dollars and cents aren't Ricky's job..

That's the ceo and recruiters job


it's the job of who ever is managing the cap and roster. I dont know who is managing the cap, but Stuart was definitely managing the roster, and he's smart enough to know you cant just cut a bloke and replace him using the same money. As i said, you can't absolve him of any/all of the responsibility for this. Stuart is very much a part of the problem here.

Which ill state i dont give a single **** about btw, just calling it how it is.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 12:29 pm
Not sure about the Eels but at the Raiders Ricky does the recruitment and Junior manages the cap.
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Shadow Boxer wrote:Not sure about the Eels but at the Raiders Ricky does the recruitment and Junior manages the cap.


You'd have to agree that that relationship must work pretty closely yeah, they have to be lock step with each other in what they are doing, Stuart is building his roster the way he wants to build it, with full knowledge of what he is spending and where it's being spent. Kevin Proctor doesnt get a 700k offer from the Raiders unless Ricky Stuart has ok'd the idea of spending 700k on a back rower.

When the coach goes and cut's literally half his top 25, he does so knowing they need to replace those 12 men out, and then pay for the new talent.
Sorry but there is just no **** way known to man you can completely absolve Stuart as responsibility for this. No way.

Now i dont give a single **** here, Stuart isnt pulling this **** here, i dont give a single **** about the Eels, or that in doing what he felt was right in terms of their roster, he completely **** their cap management. But it is utterly ridiculous that our fans are sitting here claiming this has nothing to do with Stuart. Ridiculous and im embarrassed for all who have done so :lol:
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:19 pm
The issues were spread across several years with different coaches. Clearly management are the ones to blame. Not sure Sticky did much recruiting there anyway.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:21 pm
I'm not absolving anyone, just telling you how it works at the Raiders.

They would work closely, Junior would tell Ricky how much is available to spend.

I doubt Ricky double checks the maths though. Its pretty complicated.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:23 pm
Northern Raider wrote: Not sure Sticky did much recruiting there anyway.


Alright. i'm out. :roflmao
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:29 pm
Problem with Parras cap

Sandow: $550k
Norman: $450k
Lussick: $450k
Hopoate: $800k

Wonder if Foran is considering a backflip
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:43 pm
When you look at the 2014 it makes interesting reading.

NRL Top 25 - $101,718: a little on the high side but it's not uncommon for clubs to go over by these amounts. Usually comes from bonuses that kick in the next year but weren't forecast to occur.

NRL 2nd tier - $233,036: that's way over. They effectively played $673k worth of talent from outside the top 25. When we are talking minimum salary guys coming in this means they played way too many without the NRL agreeing to cap dispensation. While I hate the 2nd tier cap it's up to both coach and management to use the roster better through the course of the year.

NYC Top 20 - $60,915: this one is a doozy. NYC cap was $250k so they spent an extra 25%. This is like an NRL squad going $1.4m over. That's a lot of third party deals and new boats.

NYC 2nd tier - $8277: who cares
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Manbush wrote:Problem with Parras cap

Sandow: $550k
Norman: $450k
Lussick: $450k
Hopoate: $800k

Wonder if Foran is considering a backflip

Surely, doesn't he have some kind of get out clause if anything goes wrong?
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 1:49 pm
Foran has a clause regarding management unrest.

He still has till round 13 to stay at Manly

If he can prove bad management not sure what defines that exactly he can walk free and go to any club
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Northern Raider wrote:When you look at the 2014 it makes interesting reading.

NRL Top 25 - $101,718: a little on the high side but it's not uncommon for clubs to go over by these amounts. Usually comes from bonuses that kick in the next year but weren't forecast to occur.

NRL 2nd tier - $233,036: that's way over. They effectively played $673k worth of talent from outside the top 25. When we are talking minimum salary guys coming in this means they played way too many without the NRL agreeing to cap dispensation. While I hate the 2nd tier cap it's up to both coach and management to use the roster better through the course of the year.

NYC Top 20 - $60,915: this one is a doozy. NYC cap was $250k so they spent an extra 25%. This is like an NRL squad going $1.4m over. That's a lot of third party deals and new boats.

NYC 2nd tier - $8277: who cares


In regards the the NYC comment- if the reports that came out earlier this year are true a number of clubs have FG salaries topped up by 2 million through TPAs and new boats. So it's not that bad ;)
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Sucked in Parra.They've been cheating and they still suck.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 4:41 pm
Why are we all so outraged about this?? Should we take their wooden spoons off them??
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The Nickman wrote:Why are we all so outraged about this?? Should we take their wooden spoons off them??


Yep, plus their oatmeal.

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PostPosted: May 22, 2015, 7:23 pm
That club is a basket case. Has been since Fitzgerald and Smith left
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dubby wrote:That club is a basket case. Has been since Fitzgerald and Smith left


I think the were a basket case when Fitzgerald was there as well. Post 1987 anyway.
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PostPosted: May 23, 2015, 6:32 am
Northern Raider wrote:When you look at the 2014 it makes interesting reading.


NRL 2nd tier - $233,036: that's way over. They effectively played $673k worth of talent from outside the top 25. When we are talking minimum salary guys coming in this means they played way too many without the NRL agreeing to cap dispensation. While I hate the 2nd tier cap it's up to both coach and management to use the roster better through the course of the year


How did they go so far over the 2nd tier cap? You always hear about players missing out on making their debut because it would effect this cap.
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PostPosted: May 23, 2015, 8:46 am
They knew they would go over if they selected certain 2nd tier players and they were warned at the time. They simply chose to ignore the direction to not play these guys. The NRL should have made an announcement then and there that for every game that said players took the field, the club would be docked 2 competition points the following season. Full stop.

The coach would have absolutely been aware of the situation too. Just like Bellamy would have been aware of what was going on at the Storm.
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Seiffert82 wrote:They knew they would go over if they selected certain 2nd tier players and they were warned at the time. They simply chose to ignore the direction to not play these guys. The NRL should have made an announcement then and there that for every game that said players took the field, the club would be docked 2 competition points the following season. Full stop.

The coach would have absolutely been aware of the situation too. Just like Bellamy would have been aware of what was going on at the Storm.


Yeah the second tier stuff was just flagrantly ignoring the rules. It definitely should have been dealt with at the time.
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