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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:20 pm
A free vote wasnt political possible. That’s what you’re failing to grasp
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:23 pm
The trouble with the politics thread is all the bloody politics! It's the same in the Parliament!
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reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


It's your job!
Why is it my job?!!!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:28 pm
reptar wrote:
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reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


It's your job!
Why is it my job?!!!

you have a job?
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:30 pm
reptar wrote:
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reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


It's your job!
Why is it my job?!!!


Why isn't it your job?
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:33 pm
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-TW- wrote:A free vote would be nowhere near as quick as this was in the scheme of things..

It would have been debated and stalled and amended and stalled and eventually canned

Nearly all the mps stood to their word one way or another and let the result of the survey dictate the vote in the house

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Agree with except the last bit about being canned. I feel it still would have passed. Just not as quickly and with far more complicated (and less desirable) amendments to the legislation.


The amendments to the law are still coming. Don't expect that this is the end of it.

What do you mean?

I gather he’s referring to the review into religious freedom being headed by one of the men responsible for changing the act to “man and woman” in effect making marriage equality against the law.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:35 pm
Of course that's what I was referring to. And the Prime Minister saying that "protections for religious freedom" are very important. That's why we have this "review".
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reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


Haha. Go and get ya boy a burger ring and make it happen Reptar
You can stream the wedding live on the GH
burger rings are tangy.

How much do you think i should hold out for those broadcast rights?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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Northern Raider wrote:
reptar wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


It's your job!
Why is it my job?!!!

you have a job?
Yes!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:37 pm
reptar wrote:
Pigman wrote:
reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


Haha. Go and get ya boy a burger ring and make it happen Reptar
You can stream the wedding live on the GH
burger rings are tangy.

How much do you think i should hold out for those broadcast rights?


GE & TR have deeeep pockets, mate
Nothing less than $10,000
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:40 pm
Pigman wrote:
reptar wrote:
Pigman wrote:
reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


Haha. Go and get ya boy a burger ring and make it happen Reptar
You can stream the wedding live on the GH
burger rings are tangy.

How much do you think i should hold out for those broadcast rights?


GE & TR have deeeep pockets, mate
Nothing less than $10,000
And I retain the IP for future broadcast replay?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:42 pm
At least some royalties attached to future broadcasts
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:44 pm
greeneyed wrote:The trouble with the politics thread is all the bloody politics! It's the same in the Parliament!
Absolutely. It's disgustingly tedious the constant oneupmanship as far as politics goes. Turnbull promised at the last election to have a plebiscite straight after the election, which he didn't do. Credit to him for gett5it done now. But it just feels like a diversion from stuff that is more important. The economy, jobs, NBN and housing.

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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:52 pm
What’s more important than equality for all?

I can’t speak for anyone else but this was to me the key issue in which decided my vote at the elections in 2016.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 6:55 pm
I'm just a poor pensioner now.
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greeneyed wrote:I'm just a poor pensioner now.

Time to sell those bitcoins

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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 8:16 pm
Pigman wrote:What’s more important than equality for all?

I can’t speak for anyone else but this was to me the key issue in which decided my vote at the elections in 2016.


You voted labor? Or greens?
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Wow just looked at the ACLs page, don’t know whether to laugh or cry, it was even worse than the 9News page.
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gangrenous wrote:
Pigman wrote:What’s more important than equality for all?

I can’t speak for anyone else but this was to me the key issue in which decided my vote at the elections in 2016.


You voted labor? Or greens?


Alp

Edit: I don’t believe in 3rd parties who suggest their policies shouldn’t be examined to the extent that the majors do because they’ll never hold government yet expect to have an impact on policy
You can’t have your cake and eat it too... I vote alp, like around 70-% of of my electorate haha


As kang famously once said in regards to voting for independent 3rd party -

“Go ahead, throw your vote away”
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 9:28 pm
We have preferential voting, there’s no such thing as throwing your vote away in Australia


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Notaroboticfish wrote:We have preferential voting, there’s no such thing as throwing your vote away in Australia


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Of course there is
If you’re in a safe as houses ALP seat who precedence the greens it’s locked up son. All of the the independents make it clear where they stand.
Be realistic.

Voting for a 3rd party is, in real terms voting for one of the two major parties. Why pay the tax on a middle man
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 9:43 pm
Pigman wrote:
Notaroboticfish wrote:We have preferential voting, there’s no such thing as throwing your vote away in Australia


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Of course there is
If you’re in a safe as houses ALP seat who precedence the greens it’s locked up son. All of the the independents make it clear where they stand.
Be realistic.

Voting for a 3rd party is, in real terms voting for one of the two major parties. Why pay the tax on a middle man

Honestly, I believe in the future especially with the ACT getting another seat that at least one of them will become a Greens seat. People are starting to catch on that both majors are pretty ****, as evidenced by the QLD election where PHON and the Greens both saw massive swings towards them. The ACT is not going to be voting for someone like Pauline Hanson, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Greens with a seat in the ACT within the next 20 years


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I honestly don't get this.

The last time that Labor is was in power, they rolled out their most prominently gay Senator to parrot that marriage 'was between a man and a woman'.

The LNP in power has delivered same sex marriage.

GEM and his fellow Maoists are quibbling over the way it was delivered. Others are arguing that it cost too much. Un-mechanical sea creatures are banging on ad nauseum that it had nothing to do with the people involved, but was some kind of function of the era we live in.

How **** hard is it to simply acknowledge that whatever your personal ideology, the current government did what no other previous government could do? I honestly don't understand why that seems to cost some people here so much.
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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2017, 11:02 pm
Pigman wrote:
reptar wrote:
Pigman wrote:
reptar wrote:Right. I've already been asked where the ring is. Haha. Said it's his job to purpose. Bloody kiwis!!!


Haha. Go and get ya boy a burger ring and make it happen Reptar
You can stream the wedding live on the GH
burger rings are tangy.

How much do you think i should hold out for those broadcast rights?


GE & TR have deeeep pockets, mate
Nothing less than $10,000


I'll spend a night smashing litre cups of Long Island Ice Teas with Reptar and his charming beau, and love everything but the hangover, but I'm damned if I'm bidding for television rights.
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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.
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Yes TR the Libs got it through they really had no other choice because the issue wasn’t leaving them alone, it was dragging them down, dominating everything and they got it through in the worst possible way. Caused a lot of pain and suffering, divided the community, families and friendships have been ruined, encouraged hate campaigning. If you look around at the LGBT community you’ll see they are being condemned for this not congratulated.
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Manbush wrote:Yes TR the Libs got it through they really had no other choice because the issue wasn’t leaving them alone, it was dragging them down, dominating everything and they got it through in the worst possible way. Caused a lot of pain and suffering, divided the community, families and friendships have been ruined, encouraged hate campaigning. If you look around at the LGBT community you’ll see they are being condemned for this not congratulated.


Oh, crap.

God, you are tedious.
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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.
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:lol:

If you pay attention to the communities involved this is going to cost the LNP for quite some time, seeing many in the LGBT community claiming they were former LNP voters but will never vote for them again due to what they’ve done also seeing many on the far right claiming the same thing, both sides are feeling betrayed, think the smaller parties will benefit from how all this went down.
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More NSW electorates voted no than in Qld but 3 of the 4 MPs to vote no were Qlders.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politi ... 4yxil.html
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T_R wrote:
Manbush wrote:Yes TR the Libs got it through they really had no other choice because the issue wasn’t leaving them alone, it was dragging them down, dominating everything and they got it through in the worst possible way. Caused a lot of pain and suffering, divided the community, families and friendships have been ruined, encouraged hate campaigning. If you look around at the LGBT community you’ll see they are being condemned for this not congratulated.


Oh, crap.

God, you are tedious.
Absolute crap. I'm no LIB fan at all but they actually got it done and there is no possible way to prove that it wouldn't have been a sensitive issue, on both sides, if it was handled any other way.

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Well then if there’s no way to prove it I guess there’s not much point in keeping these grey squishy things in our heads that let us consider what the outcomes in an alternate universe may have been.
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Manbush wrote:

If you pay attention to the communities involved this is going to cost the LNP for quite some time, seeing many in the LGBT community claiming they were former LNP voters but will never vote for them again due to what they’ve done also seeing many on the far right claiming the same thing, both sides are feeling betrayed, think the smaller parties will benefit from how all this went down.

As I said - Oh, crap.

And GOD you are tedious.

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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.
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gangrenous wrote:Well then if there’s no way to prove it I guess there’s not much point in keeping these grey squishy things in our heads that let us consider what the outcomes in an alternate universe may have been.
I've stated before in this very thread that I didn't understand why there was so much lead up/lobbying time between announcing and conducting the survey. Aside from that how could it have been handled better?

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PostPosted: December 8, 2017, 10:29 am
The way decisions are always made, in parliament.

Look at Victoria, pass euthanasia laws in house but if that was put out to public survey it would’ve gotten messy.
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PostPosted: December 8, 2017, 10:32 am
Not have a survey.

I’m sorry, I’m not big on patting people on the back for overcoming obstacles largely within their own political party.

I’m glad it’s done. I hope that the survey has gone someway towards removing LNP consevative powers beyond this one issue. But I can’t see it to be honest.
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