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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 5:22 pm
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Shadow Boxer wrote:Its such a sad spectactle,

Im in such a minority I wasn't always sure I was right about the reaction to Mundine, the reaction to Goodes shows me I far, far underestimated how deep the ugliness runs.

You can't seriously put Mundine in the same camp as Goodes.

Mundine has done and said some really stupid stuff that warrents his hatred.

America deserved the 911 attacks or questioning another mans aboriginal heritage because he is married to a white woman. Constantly telling everyone that he is the best fighter in history after fighting no names fight after fight.


Shadow Boxer is doing players like Goodes and his argument an incredible disservice by constantly trying to link with to Anthony Mundine

It's a Manbush-Pot level obsession and it really detracts from any legitimately point tries to make on the topic.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 5:35 pm
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Shadow Boxer wrote:Its such a sad spectactle,

Im in such a minority I wasn't always sure I was right about the reaction to Mundine, the reaction to Goodes shows me I far, far underestimated how deep the ugliness runs.


Yeah this is where I didn't fully agree with you. Australians have hated Mundine because he's a class a goose, not because he's Aboriginal. Didn't he say he didn't get picked for Origin because he was Aboriginal? Yet one of the two all time great five-eighths in front of him (and rightly so) was also indigenous.


It's about the scale of the response being out of all proportion to the offences.

When they write the primary school text books they won't write about Mundine and Goode's sporting prowess or otherwise.

Nor will they write about Mundine's antics to sell tickets to idiots.

What they will write about when the emotion goes away and the next generation comes along will be the over the top. pitchfork wielding, mob mentality that erupted when two loud and proud indigenous men with a platform spoke some uncomfortable truths.

That level of intense hatred is unique to these two individuals.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 6:05 pm
I'm sorry, but is hating on a **** racist now? Cause that's what Mundine is, and that's why I hate on him. The Goodes thing on the other hand is disgraceful.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 6:13 pm
Shadow Boxer wrote:Indeed, unfortunately good people everywhere have decided after two years that is not the case and are calling it out.

People supporting the booing and urging Goodes to change his ways include Alan Jones, Steve Price and Andrew Bolt.

Waleed Aly puts it better than I can.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/sport/wat ... 585bc8.htm

Yup. He nailed it.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 6:49 pm
Nicky Winmar is a perfect example here. He was racially abused by members of a crowd and reacted by lifting his jersey and pointing to his coloured skin.

Did he get booed by every crowd from then on. No. He was applauded by many.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:05 pm
I can see why some people felt that pointing out a young girl was viewed as somehow "unfair" as her racism is taught by her parents and she is possibly simply to young to realise what she is doing. It put her in the middle of national attention and she herself is a vulnerable person. I can't see any other basis for any criticism whatsoever of Adam Goodes and he was a very worthy Australian of the Year. Anthony Mundine on the other hand has often been a very poor quality human being, and deserves disdain. It has nothing to do with his racial background as far as I'm concerned. It is to do with his qualities as a person.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:06 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:I'm sorry, but is hating on a **** racist now? Cause that's what Mundine is, and that's why I hate on him. The Goodes thing on the other hand is disgraceful.


Well of course that's not even close to what I said but carry on hating as you please.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:07 pm
Shadow Boxer wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:I'm sorry, but is hating on a **** racist now? Cause that's what Mundine is, and that's why I hate on him. The Goodes thing on the other hand is disgraceful.


Well of course that's not even close to what I said but carry on hating as you please.


It kind of is. But carry on as you please.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:12 pm
No it's not, I said the scale of the response is out of all proportion to the offence.

Most of the bogans actually hate Mundine so much they would actually enjoy seeing physical harm come to him.

They actually cheered when his business burned down.

You can actually see the hate in the eyes, it's palpable.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:17 pm
Shadow Boxer wrote:No it's not, I said the scale of the response is out of all proportion to the offence.

Most of the bogans actually hate Mundine so much they would actually enjoy seeing physical harm come to him.

They actually cheered when his business burned down.

You can actually see the hate in the eyes, it's palpable.

Physical harm. Hahahaha for goodness sakes the bloke is a BOXER. He punches people for a living and constantly talks about wanting to hurt people.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:19 pm
Out of proportion? Name one sportsman that is more of a loudmouth, more of an obnoxious self obsessed douchebag than Mundine.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:21 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:Out of proportion? Name one sportsman that is more of a loudmouth, more of an obnoxious self obsessed douchebag than Mundine.


Here they come, I'm out.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:23 pm
Shadow Boxer wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:Out of proportion? Name one sportsman that is more of a loudmouth, more of an obnoxious self obsessed douchebag than Mundine.


Here they come, I'm out.

WTF? One, just one.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:32 pm
I booed Goodes before it was racist
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:34 pm
Lol, I booed him before he was Australian of the year too.
What about swans fans booing lance franklin when he played for the Hawks, are they racist?
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:52 pm
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Shadow Boxer wrote:No it's not, I said the scale of the response is out of all proportion to the offence.

Most of the bogans actually hate Mundine so much they would actually enjoy seeing physical harm come to him.

They actually cheered when his business burned down.

You can actually see the hate in the eyes, it's palpable.

Physical harm. Hahahaha for goodness sakes the bloke is a BOXER. He punches people for a living and constantly talks about wanting to hurt people.


:lol: I was about to post the same thing

SB carrying on like Mundine is Australia's equivalent of Ali or something. **** laughable. As i said, he does Goodes and himself a huge disservice trying to shoe horn Mundine into these matters. It's rather embarrassing how eager he is to try and paint Mundine as some kind of equal rights crusader who rallies for the cause.

Mundine is the guy who claimed he was being decriminated against because of his aboriginality, despite the guy picked ahead of him being an aboriginal, when he found out, he changed tact and instead tried to say Daley wasnt "aboriginal enough" for him.
Mundine is the guy who claimed America deserved 9/11
Mundine is the guy who called Cathy Freeman a sell out.
Mundine is the guy who disparaged Indigenous Tasmanian's, his own community in a cheap shot at Daniel Geale
Mundine is the guy who labeled Arthur Beetson an Uncle Tom, despite the fact Big Artie has probably done more for his community than Mundine will ever dream of.

Mundine has done A LOT to undermine the cause of Aboriginals in nothing more than a cheap attempt to attract publicity, to create controversy in order to make some extra bucks, the attacks on Laurie Daley, Cathy Freeman, calling Artie an Uncle Tom and attacking indigenous tasmanians, the way he has tells you ALL you need to know about who Anthony Mundine is and what he stands for.

And that's why Mundine will unlikely appear in any of the text books SB talks about being taught to primary school kids in the future
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 7:52 pm
Just like Goodes he bails when the going gets tought




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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 8:59 pm
Oh dear that is terrible.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 9:03 pm
And by that i mean that timeline thing is just awful. Nothing he did there is bad at all.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 9:08 pm
"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 9:14 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.


I think Goodes should throw one of these in


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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 9:18 pm
I mean they were Carlton supporters after all so fair game in my book.
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PostPosted: July 30, 2015, 9:20 pm
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Dr Zaius wrote:"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.


I think Goodes should throw one of these in


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PostPosted: July 31, 2015, 7:24 am
Dr Zaius wrote:"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.


To be fair though, I can see how one could be intimidated by that. Just as if he'd threatened to cut a blokes head off, Martin Tapau style.

But as soon as Adam Goodes perceives the boos to be racism, it should stop.
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PostPosted: July 31, 2015, 8:29 am
yeh raiders wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.


To be fair though, I can see how one could be intimidated by that. Just as if he'd threatened to cut a blokes head off, Martin Tapau style.

But as soon as Adam Goodes perceives the boos to be racism, it should stop.
the problem with that is where does it stop? If goodes believes me cheering the raiders is racially motivated, do i have to stop? The blokes looking to make everything race based where it doesnt need to be.
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It can stop when we solve the issues and indigenous people don't have the worst health, housing, education, the lowest life expectancy, highest infant mortality and more chance of being locked up than educated.

If you are serious about finding out I recommend Stan Grant's book, there's a taste of it here.

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yeh raiders wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:"Goodes intimidates crowd with" war dance"".

They were intimidated by a bloke throwing an imaginary spear? Good grief.


To be fair though, I can see how one could be intimidated by that. Just as if he'd threatened to cut a blokes head off, Martin Tapau style.

But as soon as Adam Goodes perceives the boos to be racism, it should stop.


That's the thing that makes this argument so frustrating..

I'm not naive enough to think that there isn't a racial undertone as to why some people do it. But to blanket the whole country as racists is too much. How can you tell the individual reasons of each person and why they do it?

Is it because it's just become a thing to boo him?
Is it because he's a grub of a player?
Or is it because people want him to get back in his box and be quiet?

I'd say if it's the last one, it's a very small minority
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PostPosted: July 31, 2015, 9:33 am
Shadow Boxer wrote:It can stop when we solve the issues and indigenous people don't have the worst health, housing, education, the lowest life expectancy, highest infant mortality and more chance of being locked up than educated.

If you are serious about finding out I recommend Stan Grant's book, there's a taste of it here.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... as-felt-it
there are programs in place to give indigenous australians a helping hand. The problem is somewhat comparative with housing commission families (no idea of stats but i'd assume similar for most of those) They grow up in that environment and unless they snap and decide to make a change, they get dragged down into the handout culture.
The reason they are in this position is the fault of our past generations however, to make a change, at a certain point they need to accept some ownership of their own lives (as many have).
I think a bloke like goodes could have done so much for inspiring other indigenous children to excel themselves. Instead he looks to create division and further ill feeling to white australians.
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