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Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart has thrown down the challenge to his NRL club

Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart has put his senior players on notice, throwing down the gauntlet for the youngsters to go after their NRL spots.

"That'll be up to all our younger players coming through as forwards and what sort of pressure they want to put on the players that have been playing NRL," Stuart said. "Then that will also be determined by how hungry our current NRL players are to hold their positions.

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I still reckon there are some embers to the BJ rumours.
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I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done
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BJ and Baptiste are our only options. If we can't get a decent deal for Baptiste we may not have any other choice that will get us clear.
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Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done


Ill 2nd that motion
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Green eyed Mick wrote:BJ and Baptiste are our only options. If we can't get a decent deal for Baptiste we may not have any other choice that will get us clear.

I wonder if a player is feeling generous can they tack on another year and pay him less this year to go under the cap?
They'd have to renegotiate and reregister, and it would need to be one of the big guys to be enough dough, but if we're desperate enough surely.
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Matt wrote:
Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done


Ill 2nd that motion

I'll 3rd it
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Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done



what do you think he's doing by saying this, it motivates the young and older players.

there is only so much you can do as a coach, what do you suggest?
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I suggest he groom a locker room where he doesn’t need to switch the halves because the 5/8th and centre are on such bad terms that they are leaking tries every week
I suggest one of the best halfbacks to ever lace a boot to coach up his halves
I suggest a a more robust approach to bench usage, and not have a interchange system you can set your watch too
I suggest getting his squad to play with the same urgency and attitude that an 18 year old did in 2017, much to the shame of his veteran team mates.
I suggest he stop telling the fans that teams have just “worked us out” and finds a counter to opposition counters
I suggest he make the finals, for just the second time in his FIVE year tenure.

I guess I suggest he do the job he was hired to do. Is that ok?
Is it ok to ask that a side which he built brilliant be asked to deliver some results in year 5?
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edwahu wrote:I still reckon there are some embers to the BJ rumours.

Yea that quote from Stuart really only fuels the fire
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kiwi raider wrote:
edwahu wrote:I still reckon there are some embers to the BJ rumours.

Yea that quote from Stuart really only fuels the fire


Those quotes remind me of the stage management around Milford.
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Challenge to the whole club. No doubt. The 2016 season showed this club can win the premiership. 2017 was a massive disappointment and anything short of a premiership is a failure.
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greeneyed wrote:Challenge to the whole club. No doubt. The 2016 season showed this club can win the premiership. 2017 was a massive disappointment and anything short of a premiership is a failure.


Indeed
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Weren't you guys saying just the other day we would never win another premiership... good grief make up your minds
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I have to admit to hyperbole at times. And it'll still be a failure.
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Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done


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Pigman wrote:I suggest one of the best halfbacks to ever lace a boot to coach up his halves
I suggest a a more robust approach to bench usage, and not have a interchange system you can set your watch too


Can't argue with any of your "ideas", but these are the two that really blow my mind.

If ever a bloke was being judged as a coach, surely it's on the ability to coach players in the specialist roles that the coach themselves excelled in. You'd almost have to wonder if an inabilty to do that was somehow a bit of a character failing. Let me elaborate slightly - "I could do it, why can't you?" . Well, the best coach will know that just because they could do it instinctively doesn't mean others can. And I offer Cooper Cronk as exhibits a b and c.

And using the bench is just a no-brainer. Anyone who's ever played a computer game would know...
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I must admit the thing about coaches struggling to coach their position is something that has fascinated me for a while now
You see it a lot in the NFL. Which has specialised coaching and yet it seems to not translate as well as you’d think

I wonder if for someone like Stuart if he’s more comfortable knowing how to stop halves (hence his defensive reputation) because he knows what he didn’t like dealing with, some how that translates better than trying to replicate something that was instinctive

It’s a really interesting sub plot of Stuart’s career that he’s been dogged by total failures in the halves.
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Raiders666 wrote:Weren't you guys saying just the other day we would never win another premiership... good grief make up your minds




I said it for the first time seven years ago, I think, but I'm happy to repeat it - no, we'll never win another premiership.
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Pigman wrote:I must admit the thing about coaches struggling to coach their position is something that has fascinated me for a while now
You see it a lot in the NFL. Which has specialised coaching and yet it seems to not translate as well as you’d think

I wonder if for someone like Stuart if he’s more comfortable knowing how to stop halves (hence his defensive reputation) because he knows what he didn’t like dealing with, some joe translates better than trying to replicate something that was instinctive

It’s a really interesting sub plot of Stuart’s career that he’s been dogged by total failures in the halves.

Good theory.

I tend to agree with you re: Stuart.

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I’m with Pigman on the questions why coaches in a number of sports don’t coach their own position well. I often wonder about this myself.

I think it might be that these great players in certain positions played on instinct, not on considered game analysis.

It’s no surprise that some of the hard working journeymen who had to analyse and improve their game through thought, turn out to be the better coaches.
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BJ nominates McCrone as new halves advisor at the Raiders.
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Pigman wrote:I must admit the thing about coaches struggling to coach their position is something that has fascinated me for a while now
You see it a lot in the NFL. Which has specialised coaching and yet it seems to not translate as well as you’d think

I wonder if for someone like Stuart if he’s more comfortable knowing how to stop halves (hence his defensive reputation) because he knows what he didn’t like dealing with, some how that translates better than trying to replicate something that was instinctive

It’s a really interesting sub plot of Stuart’s career that he’s been dogged by total failures in the halves.


I agree with these sentimonies...

Even looking at it from a purely ameteurish example, I play in defence in Soccer... If i have to explain how to defend, its a "well you just force them to the sideline and cut off their space..." type of thing... no real technical advice because i can't really explain it... but when i talk to our striker to try help him out, its always "you need to do XY & Z, i hate it when I need to defend that, or if you cut inside well before you get to me, you have the entire width of the field to play with and you've got me for pace so you'll beat me 99 times out of 100"...

I know i'm not a coach, and i play park soccer, but i think pigmans point translates. I defend, i've been doing it that long i don't even really think about what angle to run to cut off space, when to give away a free kick because i'll get beat if i don't etc.. I just do it. So trying to explain to someone how to do something when i don't think about it much myself is a lot more difficult then telling someone how to run at me to be able to get past me....

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Halves are pretty rubbish these days in general and vastly different players to Stuart. I imagine it would be like Beethoven trying to teach music to the Chainsmokers at times.
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Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done

Go Piggy!!
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T_R wrote:
Raiders666 wrote:Weren't you guys saying just the other day we would never win another premiership... good grief make up your minds




I said it for the first time seven years ago, I think, but I'm happy to repeat it - no, we'll never win another premiership.


Yeah but I called you on it in 2016 during our finals run and even you changed your tune then :D
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Pigman wrote:I’d like to throw down a challenge to the coach...

This is your team. It proved in 2016 that it’s good enough to compete. How hungry are you to hold you job?
Get it done.
This team, your team, hand picked by you, should be contending for a title.
Get it done


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I suggest he refrain from getting so close to players that one of them is even "like a son".
I suggest he stop thinking of himself as a "player's coach" - there is no such thing. You are a club coach, answer to all stakeholders.
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Pigman wrote:I suggest he groom a locker room where he doesn’t need to switch the halves because the 5/8th and centre are on such bad terms that they are leaking tries every week
I suggest one of the best halfbacks to ever lace a boot to coach up his halves
I suggest a a more robust approach to bench usage, and not have a interchange system you can set your watch too
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I suggest he stop telling the fans that teams have just “worked us out” and finds a counter to opposition counters
I suggest he make the finals, for just the second time in his FIVE year tenure.

I guess I suggest he do the job he was hired to do. Is that ok?
Is it ok to ask that a side which he built brilliant be asked to deliver some results in year 5?

This is exactly what I think. There's no more time for excuses in 2018. He's got the team he wants, get it **** done.

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I suggest he hold players accountable for their performances, not stubbornly or "loyally" sticking by them when they are stinking it up.
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Pigman wrote:I must admit the thing about coaches struggling to coach their position is something that has fascinated me for a while now
You see it a lot in the NFL. Which has specialised coaching and yet it seems to not translate as well as you’d think

I wonder if for someone like Stuart if he’s more comfortable knowing how to stop halves (hence his defensive reputation) because he knows what he didn’t like dealing with, some how that translates better than trying to replicate something that was instinctive

It’s a really interesting sub plot of Stuart’s career that he’s been dogged by total failures in the halves.

Its interesting. I remember my cricket days as a left arm seam bowler. Reckon I learned more from batting against other left arm seamers than I did from actually bowling to batsmen.

Theoretically an ex QB should be a great candidate for defensive coordinator. They spent their entire career looking to overcome various formations. Who better to know what works best on that side of the ball.

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This year he needs the balls to actually drop players, apparently over the cap, and have some average depth at least...wighton didn't earn his wage last year, still got paid nonetheless...
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I'd argue this isn't the team Ricky wanted. That would have included Tedesco, Proctor and Mansour. Probably also included Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Taumololo etc.

....but this is the team he recruited.

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Azza wrote:
T_R wrote:
Raiders666 wrote:Weren't you guys saying just the other day we would never win another premiership... good grief make up your minds




I said it for the first time seven years ago, I think, but I'm happy to repeat it - no, we'll never win another premiership.


Yeah but I called you on it in 2016 during our finals run and even you changed your tune then :D

And I still would like to be wrong :D

But I absolutely believe that we're structurally incapable of winning it.

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