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Canberra Raiders improve across the board ahead of final game of season against Parramatta

While the Raiders will miss the finals for the third straight season, a number of key statistics reveal how the club is on the way up ahead of their last game this year.

The Raiders have improved in points scored, try assists, line breaks, running metres, total errors, completion rate, dummy-half runs and support runs.That is offset, however, by an increase in the amount of penalties conceded, a drastic drop-off in decoy runs and a reduction in tackle breaks.

"We always felt throughout the year we were improving nearly every game with combinations and just playing more as a team," Williams said.

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Made tackles shouldn't be listed as an improvement. Its probably the biggest problem we had. We make too many.

Interesting article though. Hopefully the NRL makes a few of these stats like meters after contact available to regular folk in the future.
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How about line dropouts forced and conceded....or brain explosions in the last 5 minutes of the game?
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I dont think anyone doubts that in game, we are a better football side than we have been in a few years.

However games are won and lost in the vital minutes and we are still a LONG way off where we need to be in the minutes that count, and we're desperately off the pace defensively. Good news is i think we're definitely trending in the right direction.
If we can improve our defense, the experience of those close loses will really pay dividends in the future.

Our spine in 2016 is going to be, hands down the best spine that we've since seen our glory days. It's not even close for 2nd place.
This team is poised to compete IMO, i dont know if it will yeild a premiership but so long as we improve our defense, why not us?

Im really optimistic of this team, my only concern is can Stuart coach? I think in 6-18 months time , Wighton-Austin-Sezer-Hodgson can compete with ANY spine in the league. If Stuart can coach and he can lift our defense to that of a top 6 defensive team, we're on for 2016-17-18.
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Matts stats have improved as well.
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Metres conceded? Tries conceded? These 2 interest me
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Increased offloads conceded and offloads to nobody.
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PostPosted: September 5, 2015, 9:25 am
Pigman wrote:Our spine in 2016 is going to be, hands down the best spine that we've since seen our glory days. It's not even close for 2nd place.


I'd say
1. Dugan
6. Campese
7. Carney
9. Buttriss

Would come close at least, but acknowledge what you're saying and that campese didn't really click until carney left

Edit - or did we have Milne then?
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Sid wrote:
Pigman wrote:Our spine in 2016 is going to be, hands down the best spine that we've since seen our glory days. It's not even close for 2nd place.


I'd say
1. Dugan
6. Campese
7. Carney
9. Buttriss

Would come close at least, but acknowledge what you're saying and that campese didn't really click until carney left


Considering where Dugan was at in his career , same with Carney , it doesnt come close. And Butts :nooo
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From memory we still had David Milne while Carney was playing. God I hated Milne!


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Sid wrote:
Pigman wrote:Our spine in 2016 is going to be, hands down the best spine that we've since seen our glory days. It's not even close for 2nd place.


I'd say
1. Dugan
6. Campese
7. Carney
9. Buttriss

Would come close at least, but acknowledge what you're saying and that campese didn't really click until carney left

Edit - or did we have Milne then?


Carney and Dugan were good but Campese at that time was, to be frank, pretty ordinary and the less said about Glenn **** Buttriss the better

That spine doesn't sniff the jock strap of our 2016 spine IMO
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I am very excited about Raiders 2016 spine. Don't want to get my hopes up after how excited I was about going into a season with a spine of

1. Dugan
6. Campese
7. Orford
9. Waddell / buttriss

Had such high hopes for Orford and Waddell

Different circumstances next year, but our halves are coming off shoulder injuries
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Talking about penalties conceded, how many did Fensom give away this year compared to last? I swear, he seems to have bumped up the "dumb ruck infringement" factor this year.

The off-load to nobody stat might be interesting as well.
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Pigman wrote:
Sid wrote:
Pigman wrote:Our spine in 2016 is going to be, hands down the best spine that we've since seen our glory days. It's not even close for 2nd place.


I'd say
1. Dugan
6. Campese
7. Carney
9. Buttriss

Would come close at least, but acknowledge what you're saying and that campese didn't really click until carney left

Edit - or did we have Milne then?


Carney and Dugan were good but Campese at that time was, to be frank, pretty ordinary and the less said about Glenn **** Buttriss the better

That spine doesn't sniff the jock strap of our 2016 spine IMO


Not saying they were bad, they went on to be much better players than they were with us. They were young with us , plenty of potential in them but they hadnt realised it at the time
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-PJ- wrote:Matts stats have improved as well.

I don't think improved is the right word, there appears to be more numbers for more stats, but who really knows what it all is?
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Todd Carney's last game for us was Rd 19, 2008 while Josh Dugan's first game for us was Rd 4, 2009. This may surprise some people, but they never played in the same team together.

Add to that the fact that Campo was pretty ordinary when partnered with Carney (he only really came to the fore when Carney was sacked), so I think we haven't seen anything close to what we will name in 2016 for 20 years.

FWIW, I reckon the best combo we've seen since 2000 (until now) was in late 2003:

1. Schifcofske
6. Croker
7. McLinden
9. Woolford

13. M. Monaghan

I'm still not sold on Baptiste in the 14, but our starting 1,6,7,9 next year is looking pretty tidy.
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Bonehead we have had 93 tries scored against us with one game to play (Source Big League magazine). Last year we had 113 tries scored against us in the full season so that stat will 'improve'.
The worst defensive side in the Top 8 with one round to play was the Bulldogs with 81. The best defensive side in the Top 8 with one to play was the Roosters with 53 against.
So we are somewhere between 12 and 40 tries off the pace defensively.

The average tries conceded of this years Top 8 is currently 69 (With one round to play). So if that stays constant for the final round we are about 24 tries off the pace or a Try per game.
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Yeah Baptiste is better than mccrone and Buttriss, but I thought he looked good early in the year but somewhat dropped off as the year went on.
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I heard Pk on triple M last week say that the addition of Sezer will really help us, and that the raiders are still quite young and they struggle with the length of the season. He was positive we'll be a much better team next year.
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RedRaider wrote:Bonehead we have had 93 tries scored against us with one game to play (Source Big League magazine). Last year we had 113 tries scored against us in the full season so that stat will 'improve'.
The worst defensive side in the Top 8 with one round to play was the Bulldogs with 81. The best defensive side in the Top 8 with one to play was the Roosters with 53 against.
So we are somewhere between 12 and 40 tries off the pace defensively.

The average tries conceded of this years Top 8 is currently 69 (With one round to play). So if that stays constant for the final round we are about 24 tries off the pace or a Try per game.

I will say that our defence, while still leaky, has been less susceptible to complete blowouts this year compared to last. That may have a lot to do with not having Milford, Robinson and Tupou running out as our back 3. Far out they were horrible in defence - all of them.

However, we obviously still have issues with our wingers making bad reads and leaving large overlaps and our structure is still vulnerable to a half decent short kicking game. In saying that, although we seem to concede an early try in most games due to a bad read by one of the wingers, once we get that out of the way we generally tighten things up for the rest of the game.

The numbers clearly show that if we can concede 1 less try per game (i.e. 24 less per season) we are right in the hunt. As we all know, we've had 7 losses this season by 4 or less (I add the Dogs game to that list), which shows that we are not far off if we continue the trajectory of improvement since last year.

1 less try per game and we are in top 4 contention. Simple as that...
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We will grow from this season mentally.. That's where those 24+ tries came from

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Seiffert82 wrote:Todd Carney's last game for us was Rd 19, 2008 while Josh Dugan's first game for us was Rd 4, 2009. This may surprise some people, but they never played in the same team together.

Add to that the fact that Campo was pretty ordinary when partnered with Carney (he only really came to the fore when Carney was sacked), so I think we haven't seen anything close to what we will name in 2016 for 20 years.

FWIW, I reckon the best combo we've seen since 2000 (until now) was in late 2003:

1. Schifcofske
6. Croker
7. McLinden
9. Woolford

13. M. Monaghan

I'm still not sold on Baptiste in the 14, but our starting 1,6,7,9 next year is looking pretty tidy.

Did we ever trot out:

1. Schifcofske
6. Jason Smith
7. Carney
9. Woolford

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yurithe1 wrote:Talking about penalties conceded, how many did Fensom give away this year compared to last? I swear, he seems to have bumped up the "dumb ruck infringement" factor this year.

The off-load to nobody stat might be interesting as well.


Not to mention his dropped balls under no real pressure in crucial periods of the game.
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Seiffert82 wrote:Todd Carney's last game for us was Rd 19, 2008 while Josh Dugan's first game for us was Rd 4, 2009. This may surprise some people, but they never played in the same team together.

Add to that the fact that Campo was pretty ordinary when partnered with Carney (he only really came to the fore when Carney was sacked), so I think we haven't seen anything close to what we will name in 2016 for 20 years.

FWIW, I reckon the best combo we've seen since 2000 (until now) was in late 2003:

1. Schifcofske
6. Croker
7. McLinden
9. Woolford

13. M. Monaghan

I'm still not sold on Baptiste in the 14, but our starting 1,6,7,9 next year is looking pretty tidy.

Did we ever trot out:

1. Schifcofske
6. Jason Smith
7. Carney
9. Woolford

??

Yeah, that's true. 2006 with Linc Withers playing dummy half off the bench. Probably trumps 2003 with Smith in there.
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RedRaider wrote:Bonehead we have had 93 tries scored against us with one game to play (Source Big League magazine). Last year we had 113 tries scored against us in the full season so that stat will 'improve'.
The worst defensive side in the Top 8 with one round to play was the Bulldogs with 81. The best defensive side in the Top 8 with one to play was the Roosters with 53 against.
So we are somewhere between 12 and 40 tries off the pace defensively.

The average tries conceded of this years Top 8 is currently 69 (With one round to play). So if that stays constant for the final round we are about 24 tries off the pace or a Try per game.

I will say that our defence, while still leaky, has been less susceptible to complete blowouts this year compared to last. That may have a lot to do with not having Milford, Robinson and Tupou running out as our back 3. Far out they were horrible in defence - all of them.

However, we obviously still have issues with our wingers making bad reads and leaving large overlaps and our structure is still vulnerable to a half decent short kicking game. In saying that, although we seem to concede an early try in most games due to a bad read by one of the wingers, once we get that out of the way we generally tighten things up for the rest of the game.

The numbers clearly show that if we can concede 1 less try per game (i.e. 24 less per season) we are right in the hunt. As we all know, we've had 7 losses this season by 4 or less (I add the Dogs game to that list), which shows that we are not far off if we continue the trajectory of improvement since last year.

1 less try per game and we are in top 4 contention. Simple as that...


Yeh good post, we probably could have saved a few tries by dropping Eddy but i'm kind of glad we stuck with him.

I dont think Brenko Lee is the answer so we are a bit thin for good defensive outside backs.
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RedRaider wrote:Bonehead we have had 93 tries scored against us with one game to play (Source Big League magazine). Last year we had 113 tries scored against us in the full season so that stat will 'improve'.
The worst defensive side in the Top 8 with one round to play was the Bulldogs with 81. The best defensive side in the Top 8 with one to play was the Roosters with 53 against.
So we are somewhere between 12 and 40 tries off the pace defensively.

The average tries conceded of this years Top 8 is currently 69 (With one round to play). So if that stays constant for the final round we are about 24 tries off the pace or a Try per game.

I will say that our defence, while still leaky, has been less susceptible to complete blowouts this year compared to last. That may have a lot to do with not having Milford, Robinson and Tupou running out as our back 3. Far out they were horrible in defence - all of them.

However, we obviously still have issues with our wingers making bad reads and leaving large overlaps and our structure is still vulnerable to a half decent short kicking game. In saying that, although we seem to concede an early try in most games due to a bad read by one of the wingers, once we get that out of the way we generally tighten things up for the rest of the game.

The numbers clearly show that if we can concede 1 less try per game (i.e. 24 less per season) we are right in the hunt. As we all know, we've had 7 losses this season by 4 or less (I add the Dogs game to that list), which shows that we are not far off if we continue the trajectory of improvement since last year.

1 less try per game and we are in top 4 contention. Simple as that...


Yeh good post, we probably could have saved a few tries by dropping Eddy but i'm kind of glad we stuck with him.

I dont think Brenko Lee is the answer so we are a bit thin for good defensive outside backs.


I agree that our outside men are still an issue. All of, Eddy, Brenko, Toots, Waqa, BJ and Rapana have their moments in defence. They all have strengths and weaknesses there too.

I will say that by seasons end Eddy & Toots looked reasonable solid, and have a pretty good combo going in both attack & defence. That chip/ cut-out to the winger was still an issue, but that's defensive tactic more than the players.

I still worry about our right edge. BJ, Brenko, Waqa and Rapana are all susceptible to bad reads, arm grabs, and shoulder charges apparently.
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Can we get Matt to create a comp ladder based on purely team stats? That would be interesting and something he could whip up in 5-10 mins.
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Just don't let IR help you with the calculations there Matty, as he'll probably get about 50% of them wrong.

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1stly, what am I/ would I, be basing this ladder on IR?

And the simple answer is no, I only keep detailed Raiders stats, not the other teams.
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