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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:09 pm
Coach class to England

Which two assistant coaches from the one NRL club are pitching up for the same gig in England? It's not a great endorsement for the head coach, whose team has been a big disappointment this season.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-l ... xc0a5.html

The most disappointing clubs with "expectations" are us and Penrith, throw in New Zealand Warriors (with their spine).

But maybe not a bad thing as Dean Pay hasn't really fixed our defence.
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:11 pm
It doesn't even say which gig it actually is. I sincerely doubt there's anything to it, and if there is I don't think it's about us.


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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:11 pm
Our defence has been fine as far as conceding points imo.
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:16 pm
Pay won't be going to the ESL
He's not far away from getting the Bulldogs gig
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It won't happen but I would like to see someone like Cooper Cronk be our Assistant Coach. He was brought up in the Storm winning culture environment, and would be great for our halves.
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:30 pm
Apart from Pay, would mick crawley be a head coach?

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Assistant coaches look for head coaching positions all the time. I'd be surprised if assistant coaches all over the NRL weren't looking for head coaching jobs in the ESL.

I did see "The Lurker" report the same, explicitly saying it is Canberra. He also said there are three assistant coaches and there are only two. http://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/l ... 9/slide/11
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Bulldogs or Warriors....
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:41 pm
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:47 pm
fulivai wrote:Apart from Pay, would mick crawley be a head coach?

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Admittedly it was a few years ago and things can change but I recall when he signed on to come here there being a quote from him saying he has no interest in being a HC
Seemed like a guy who knew his role and was perfectly comfortable with it

Maybe Pay goes for 1-2 years to get experience as a HC, but the dogs job is there for him when they finally depart from Hasler. And sometimes experience hurts you. If he goes over there and stinks maybe he never gets a HC gig
If he's smart he waits out this Hasler-Dogs fiasco imo
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:51 pm
I agree with you the journalist made the wrong conclusion about it not being a positive endorsement on the head coach if they seek to apply for other head coach positions.

There seems to be a lot of rumors lately of discontent within the club by the media.

Actually, I think the media has been lenient on our performances, as well as Ricky. Read the Canberra Times and they always sugar coat, getting an ex-player like Belcher, Roach etc saying how great we are and our performances will come.

Same with New Zealand and Kearney- they have had a bad year with all that talent but no media spotlight

Jason Taylor copped it worse
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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 10:56 pm
Actually thinking about it my money is on souths

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PostPosted: July 15, 2017, 11:03 pm
I reject the idea in full they assistants seeking promotion is a sign of troubles anyways

I mean maybe our assistants see a sinking ship and are abandoning said ship but they could also... I dunno... be humans who want to progress their own careers? Haha
Both our guys are seasoned assistants who probably, rightly or wrongly, feel they are ready for their shot. In every other sport, nay industry, if your assistants in line for promotions elsewhere it usually means you're doing a good job
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 1:00 am
In this case a cross code reference is entirely relevant. About 6 (or so, help me out here Raidersfan) assistant coaches from Hawthorn are now head coaches at other clubs. Does this mean that Clarkson is a pain? Well yes, but he can still coach better than most. In fact, having a vast number of assistants who are good enough to step up is a sign of a good head coach.

Still I doubt very much that this refers to the Raiders.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 5:53 am
gangrenous wrote:Our defence has been fine as far as conceding points imo.


We are 1 try a game away from being contenders. I remember posting all the premiers for the past 15 years or so with the exception of North Qld allowed 16 points or less during the season. North Qld were 18 or so. We are currently at just over 20 points per game. Make that 1 less try per game and we are sitting close to the top of the ladder.

Bad ball control leading to pressure or just bad d, either way we are slightly off being premiers by giving up too many points.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 8:32 am
The Lurker seems pretty much certain it's about the Raiders lol... Either way something is definitely wrong behind close doors, It's certainly reflecting in our performances on the field. If any of the smoke lately is true i wonder what could have gone so wrong so quick ?
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 8:45 am
McFadden at the Warriors seems likely. I don't know any of the other warriors coaches but being an assistant to Kearney must be awful.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 8:48 am
greeneyed wrote:Assistant coaches look for head coaching positions all the time. I'd be surprised if assistant coaches all over the NRL weren't looking for head coaching jobs in the ESL.

I did see "The Lurker" report the same, explicitly saying it is Canberra. He also said there are three assistant coaches and there are only two. http://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/l ... 9/slide/11


I was about to post something similar to this.

Assistant coaches need to be looking for head coaching roles as part of their development
And good old "Lurk" seems to have it in for us lately
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 9:00 am
I actually think it's the Rabbitohs. I know furner had put his hand up for another role in the UK that a former roosters assistant got. Not sure who their other assistant is but they would certainly fit the 'big disappointment' tag
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kona_dream wrote:
gangrenous wrote:Our defence has been fine as far as conceding points imo.


We are 1 try a game away from being contenders. I remember posting all the premiers for the past 15 years or so with the exception of North Qld allowed 16 points or less during the season. North Qld were 18 or so. We are currently at just over 20 points per game. Make that 1 less try per game and we are sitting close to the top of the ladder.

Bad ball control leading to pressure or just bad d, either way we are slightly off being premiers by giving up too many points.


Your last paragraph is along my line of thinking. I don't think there's anything wrong with the rate at which we leak points. It's just that we hand over so much territory and possession it becomes a problem. Address the possession and territory and you shouldn't need to do much to the structure.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 4:32 pm
Knowing which ESL team the coaching gig is with could narrow the field.

If it's one of the heavyweights, then you'd understand why a former head coach like Furner might go for it. He played for Leeds, so if that was the team, he'd think he was in with strong chance.

If it's a team that's on the cusp of relegation, it would be a coach who might reckon he's got nothing to lose and can claim that he didn't have the players to do anything.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2017, 6:39 pm
Both Steve McNamara and McFadden were rumoured to have been in the running for the Catalans job but that is old news as McNamara got the gig a couple of weeks ago
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FROG wrote:I actually think it's the Rabbitohs. I know furner had put his hand up for another role in the UK that a former roosters assistant got. Not sure who their other assistant is but they would certainly fit the 'big disappointment' tag

Anthony Siebold Froggy. Great up and coming coach, has been head coach in Qld cup as well as assistant to Bellamy in Melbourne. The brains behind Queenslands great origin win.
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Stagtime wrote:
FROG wrote:I actually think it's the Rabbitohs. I know furner had put his hand up for another role in the UK that a former roosters assistant got. Not sure who their other assistant is but they would certainly fit the 'big disappointment' tag

Anthony Siebold Froggy. Great up and coming coach, has been head coach in Qld cup as well as assistant to Bellamy in Melbourne. The brains behind Queenslands great origin win.

Looks like Anthony Siebold to takeover from Maguire at Souths (nrl360).
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Is a stint playing at Canberra in the 90s compulsory before applying for a NRL coaching position??
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T_R wrote:Is a stint playing at Canberra in the 90s compulsory before applying for a NRL coaching position??


Tim Sheens certainly inspired a whole bunch of players from that era into coaching. If only we'd clung to Bellamy. Ah well, I'll be cheering for Ricky 'Ref's Fault' Stuart again next year.
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Stagtime wrote:
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FROG wrote:I actually think it's the Rabbitohs. I know furner had put his hand up for another role in the UK that a former roosters assistant got. Not sure who their other assistant is but they would certainly fit the 'big disappointment' tag

Anthony Siebold Froggy. Great up and coming coach, has been head coach in Qld cup as well as assistant to Bellamy in Melbourne. The brains behind Queenslands great origin win.

Looks like Anthony Siebold to takeover from Maguire at Souths (nrl360).

That's a shame, if Ricky didn't work out next year he would've been my pick to try.
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RedRaider wrote:
T_R wrote:Is a stint playing at Canberra in the 90s compulsory before applying for a NRL coaching position??


Tim Sheens certainly inspired a whole bunch of players from that era into coaching. If only we'd clung to Bellamy. Ah well, I'll be cheering for Ricky 'Ref's Fault' Stuart again next year.

I think Paul McGregor, Maguire and Paul Green blamed the refs more often than stick. Hell, they all do except you know who

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